Statement: It all comes down to a Fender and a Marshall

Bates15 · Moderator Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 1084

In our searrch for the ultimate sound, we cab spend many of our hard earned cash on amps we later sell or just dont use again. We search for the ultimate sound, we actually are never gonna find. We will never like what we here. Actually, the other ampes are voiced to sound just like the mentioned amps, but just dont cut it.

It all comes down to two brands (as mentioned) that will give you 99 % of the sounds you hear in your head.

What do you think? (tell you what I think later)

PunkStar · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject:

I know I try and stick to those two brands. I'm a big fan of Fender (worship leader has one and he likes it) and I've played Marshall for a while now.

But I guess I'm not really qualified to comment on sound. Just because I'm too slack to plug in. I can just never be bothered. So I guess I'm not really qualified to talk. I use my only amp (10 watt marshall) more for vocals to distort my voice more than my guitar.

But I've gotten some interesting stuff out of my v-amp2 using it as a stand-alone practice unit.

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 838 Location: Oklahoma

It all comes down to a Gibson and Marshall from all of my fav. bands. Wish I could afford them right now, didn't think of that when I had H.S. job with absoulutely nothing to spend my money on. Now I'm a poor college boy Rolling Eyes

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Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

I started playing in 1965. I used 2 Fender amps in the 60s; a blackface Fender Bandmaster, and a borrowed Fender Pro Reverb (that was put into a larger closed back cab with a JBL D130 and high freq horn; it KICKED). Bandmates had Dual Showman, Twin Reverb, and (1st yr) silverface Bassman amps. My Favorite amp from that period was the Fender Super Reverb. For top quality and tone, Sunn (100S or the BIG DADDY, 1000S) with their JBL cabs was King.

I bought a Sunn Solos II with 2 JBL K120s in 1973 and used it for 12 years when I began playing Jazz and Blues. It's solid state, otherwise I would still have it; my brother does and won't sell it back to me! I never really got the Marshall bug.

Today Fender and Marshall do not get me excited. For my needs, I'd rather have amps like my Mesa Boogie Mark IIB (I bought new in 1985) and Rivera Sedona (I bought new in 2000) than any Fender or Marshall.

And for Jazz, I love my Evans AE200 (bought used in 2003, black tolex covering). Acoustic Image, Evans, and Polytone are 3 of the favorite amp mfgs amongst Jazz players

Bates15 · Moderator Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 1084

Riviera are made by fenderm arnt they. Or the guy that made them is the guy called riviera? Something like that anyway. Sunn I have never played on. Thanks for the reply !

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

Bates15 · Moderator Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 1084

O yeah, here I go. Just what I think, don't mean its the truth.
I guess It all comes down to the sound you want to hear. When i first played a Marshall (Jcm900 high gain) I was wondering what the fuss was all about. It sounded just like i figured it would sound like and then a little less (that would be my own playing capability)

Fender was almost the same, i could not belive the noise a twin was able to make. My goodness, it is actually capable of making your ears bleed... Smile

Vox is more my style for the clean/chrunch. I love a couple of AC 30 amps blasting away. I rented a couple once and was sold, just like that. We have a AC30 for a loan in the church. It is way to loud for the church, everything coming out of the PA like it is now.

For a lead sound I would love a Diezel VH4. That amp has the most amazing lead sound I have ever come across in my life.

Now the funny part. I dont have the cash to pay for any of the above. We have a twin in the church, beeing repaired right now. I use my POD II to do almost everything. I set up my POD by downloading a couple of sounds and messing arround with them on stage, where I hear best what I do. Listen to this: My favorite sounds were: Clean : Vox AC30 and a Twin Reverb !
Chrunch : A fender Twin reverb with a tube screamer (of all things)
Lead : A marshall JCM 900 high gain. (the mesa dual rect. makes a 2nd place)

All simulations but how mad can it get..... Me picking the amps i was not sure about in the first playoffs.....

Im gonna check out Riviera next time out, and Bogner amps. They seem great. A lot of guiys I know are in to Engl amps to but im not sure if your have those in the US....

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

ENGLamps are new to me. I've heard great things about, but not heard Bogner.

I didn't want to lug my rig to youth camp this year, there so I used my son's Roland VG3 modeling amp. The patches I used were clean Fender Twin Reverb, crunch Vox AC 30, lead Soldano stack with tap-tempo delay, and plate reverb. I also used a slow deep flange on one song.

I do agree with you that it seems like most tube amps are going after either the sound of classic American 6L6 or Euro EL34 circuits

Bates15 · Moderator Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 1084

I could live with a soldano SLO stack Smile

The rest is what i mentioned. I guess we are so used to the sound we hear all along, we end up sounding like that most of the time. O well, enjoyed the discussion so far..... Anyone else?

BTW Any one heard about KOCH amps?

shardy53 · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: Amps

I sold my JCM800 stack years ago. Now I A/B my mid 80's Marshall studio 15 all tube amp and my old Fender princeton reverb. Both are all tube with great sound. These days we always mic them into a PA anyway so we dont need the big amps anymore. I do have a fender Pro tube concert reverb combo that I bought about 1 1/2 years ago that I really like, but it weighs 85 pounds and is very big with the 4x10 speakers. Small is better for me now.

Carlos · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject:

I am an old tube snobby type. I have a 65 vintage fender deluxe, a 70s. fender vibro champ, a 90 Blues Tone boutique hand wired copy of a 59 bandmaster, 94 Marshall Jcm 1/2 stack and 5 more solid state stuff . My best amp?

Tech 21 trademark 60 ANALOG no tubes in sight, 35 lbs and under 500 $. out fenders the fenders, passable at the marshall sound and pretends it is a mesa, but I play a strat anyway so what the hey.
If I am down to one amp, this is it.

Yeah I know, you cant get the same thump in your lungs as standing in front of the marshall on stage outdoors with it turned up to 11 with the trade mark BUT the thing has xlr out so I can run it into the snake box, let the sound man blast it to the mains and use a splitter box to run the signal to the marshall and still get the thrill of using my lungs as an xtra set of speakers.
The point is, these people at tech 21 plain just got it right. THey still make the best pedal too. the sans amp gt2.
put the digital stuff back in your gig bag, as for me, pass me the tech 21.
thought you would want to know,

plus I can quit waisting all that money on pedals!
Carlos

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

Hey Carlos, the Tech 21 Trademark 60 was on my short list along with 2 Rolands for my son. The HC TM60 reviews are great. But I couldn't find a local store with the T21 and the VGA-3 had a full signal processor on board with 48 user editable and MIDI accessible addresses to store sounds at the same price with a 5 yr warranty so... TM60; Cool amp!

Carlos · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject:

I live in the boonies and have no idea where to start to hands on try a teck 21, but I bought it after having discovered the wonderfull sans amp gt2. If that little thing had verb, chorus and a clean boost switch I wouldnt need another pedal. Well a wah.

also by the way, if you love the srv tone as much as Lance and I, check out RobertKeeley.com He makes your Ibenez ts 9 or will sell you a new one, just like the old ts 808 srv played. And it sound like it throuph a tube amp. I use it with the tech 21 effects out loop too and it is the bomb, to use a phrase our kids might have used about 10 years ago.
Carlos

Too loud · Newbie Alert Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 1

Hi, this is my first post. Today I used a DR-Z Z-28 head into a four ten cab. A BOGNER MEROPOLIS 30 watt w/1-12. And a DR-Z carmin ghia head into a two twelve cab. loaded with greenbacks.For effects I use a Visual sound Jekyll & Hyde (for overdrive/distortion) into a lexicon lxp-5 (reverb) to a Chandler stereo echoplex clone. I have and use other amps/effects at times depending on what kind of worship music we are doing at the time. But 80% of the time its the above mentioned stuff. I run the metro dry and run the z's wet in stereo. It seems like alot of stuff to carry around but God is more than worth it!
In christ alone JIM.