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markm2553 · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:51 am Post subject:

I can live with that brother. Very Happy

I'll meet you in 200 years, at the King's feet.

Sing cause your saved, not cause your good.

tommyd · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject:

What's wrong with football and beer?

... Just kidding, don't want to start a new debate. But I do have a question for real: What about Peter? Jesus assigned Peter to be His "rock" and begin His church. But Peter denied Him after he was made a believer.

markm2553 · Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:01 am Post subject:

Peter repented of his deniel of Christ. Keep in mind Peter was not the only one to desert Christ.

Mark Ch 14 v50 (New Living Translation)
Meanwhile, all his disciples deserted Him and ran away.

Judus could have been forgiven, had he just asked...

ACfixer · Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:15 am Post subject:

I like football, but beer and I don't see eye to eye Wink

Meridian · House Cat Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 154

Interesting discussion. Let me throw another perspective out:

If Christ's sacrifice for our sins is perfect, then it has to cover our past, present, and future sins. If it didn't cover all our sins, it wouldn't be perfect. So, if we accept His perfect sacrifice, it covers all of our sins no matter when we committed them. No?

Mer

ACfixer · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:37 am Post subject:

Meridian, that is exactly where I am coming from.

markm2553 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:47 am Post subject:

So I can go back to my old way of life? I'v already said all the words, who needs Holy? If I can do no wrong, and I can just be a hearer, not a doer of the word from here on out... Boy will my old poker buddy be happy.
My kids in youth group will love this. Jesus died so you can be you?
Something smells funny here. We are not talking about people that are walking in the light as he is in the light. We are talking about those that "tried it out" and decided it was just "not for them". And turned their backs on God. Again no one will go to hell by accident.
Look at what happen to Saul.

1Sam 10:6 (KJV) And the spirit of the Lord will come upon three, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

But Saul did not follow what God had told him to do. 1Sam ch 15, and the Lord rejected Saul.

1Sam 16:14 (KJV) But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil sprit from the Lord troubled him.

I can't be perfect, but I know that as long as I humble myself before the Lord, he will continue to forgive of my mistakes.

It is good to defend or define what we beleive every so often. We need to be able to point to the Bible to show others we are not just making it up as we go. It is good that we have a forum such as this, where we can do it with fellow Christians. I would like to just point out to anyone reading this thread that is not a believer, that what we are taking about here is not a point where we would break fellowship with one another. Anyone on both sides of this topic would be welcome in one anothers service. I have supported mission trips by peope with the same outlook. We still hold the same fundamental belief as far as salvation: Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by Him. Confess, repent and believe that Christ died for your sins, and except Him as Lord of your life. After all

Christ rules,

ACfixer · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:31 am Post subject:

markm2553 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:11 am Post subject:

AC, so as long as you feel convicted about doing wrong, your OK? What I'm saying, it is at that point where you are convicted of having done wrong, you must seek Christ. As you know, if you are walking with Him, you would be convicted before you ever did it, and should not do it to start with.
Jesus instructs us on prayer:

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

We are talking about a sin..
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

We are talking about the believer, that feels convicted for a sin, but does nothing about it. Continuing in that sin in defiance of God's direction. I say this person has lost his salvation. You say he never really had it to start with.

ACfixer · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:36 am Post subject:

So if I commit a sin I lose my salvation until I repent? I'd be in pretty bad shape if I cussed when somebody ran a red light right before they broadsided and killed me. Smile

markm2553 · Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 2:05 am Post subject:

Not when you commit, when you don't repent.

I guess it depends on if they run over the top of you, or just throw you several feet. As to how bad a shape you would be in... Wink

Meridian · House Cat Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 154

Mark,

As AC pointed out, our salvation is not fire insurance. Paul addressed this in Romans 6. I dare say, if we receive Christ, become brothers with Him and children of God, and God disciplines those He loves (Heb 12:5-7), then a disobedient, "fire insurance" Christian would be a very uncomfortable Christian.

Mer

babo · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:51 pm Post subject:

I would have to say i agree with AC pretty much....
i beleive that because Jesus Christ's sacrifice for us is perfect, we never lose that salvation.
I believe that it was God's grace that gave us the salvation... nothing that we ever did...
we could do a thousand good things but God wouldn't care
we might go out of the right road maybe... and we could lose sight of him for awhile
so lets say one day i decided to smoke pot and drink... but that doesn't mean taht the salvation that God gave me with his grace is taken away
he just keeps on giving it to us
just trying and trying and trying
but it's us, our fault
we're the ones who aren't receiving it
if i smoked pot and i was a believer... i would feel something
right in my heart
holy spirit saying u did something bad
but if i dun repent and go back on the right track...
it means that i'm not accepting or taking what God's giving me
my salvation through his grace
like AC said... it's inside out
God's giving it to us, and if we accept it, he'll come into our lives and change it
starting from the inside
and because it's from the inside it'll completely change us
it'll change how we think and what we do
i believe that my salvation is always right in front of me
it's just me not accepting it for different reasons

well... dets a bit of what i think
-andy

Barry · Tadpole Joined: 26 Jan 2004 Posts: 22

Brian,

The 144,000 are Jewish Evangelist during the tribulation? Where did you get that? There's nothing in the Bible that remotely says or infers that. That is a typical modern dispensational illusion. The 144,000 in revalation is figurative representation of the total church from Gen1 to the end of time. Notice what the Bible says in that passage after the 144,000 " After this I looked and behold a great multitude that no one could number from every nation". There's nothing in the passage about Jewish Evangelist in the tribulation. Isreal will not be the object of persecution during the tribulation, the church will. So me a passage that SAYS the church will escape it via the rapture. There's not one

Barry

PunkStar · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject:

So how do you explain Revelation 7:5-8? "of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed." And so on like that. That's where Brian got it from. I don't see why God would give us a representational number. What possible reason would He have for doing that? What would it achieve?

There is a good book called "The Revelation Record" written by Dr. Henry Morris. It is a very good read on what Revelation is about. I'd recommend it. Of course, you won't agree with a word of it. But it is a good read none the less.