Presidental canidates...

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 839 Location: Oklahoma

I honestly don't think God, Allah, Buddha, Ahura Mazda, or any deity has a place in politics. It tends to get twisted into a form of control, twisting any purity of the message. (Puritan New England, Iran today, Medieval Christianity, Sassanian Empire, etc)

Christianity in America can't and won't be affected by any scheming politician to the point of any destruction. Kids go to school to be taught secular education, and not everyone wants the same religious education, so that's still up to the parents and is not likely to change. Separation of church and state es bueno.

So no matter who gets elected, it's not like Christians are going to get persecuted or anything.

markm2553 · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:00 am Post subject:

UFO books are written to sell books, Talk Radio is on the air to sell commercial time, and neither seems to care much about their content of the truth…
Jeff, it is not a matter of running the government by religious rule, it about sharing the same standards and morals of living. As the morals of a country’s leaders go, so will the country.
Our elected leaders seem to forget it is freedom of religion, not from it. The government should not be able to tell us how to worship, but neither should they hinder our expression of it.
Example, I agree that the state should not spend state money on a display of the 10 commandments, but I disagree that they should ban their display at the courthouse.

I would rather that my elected official understands that ultimately he will have to answer for his actions to a power higher than the ones paying his salary.

Christians will one day be persecuted here in the US, just like other parts of the world today and worse yet. But that doesn’t lesson my obligation to try and select the best leader I can for today.

Who would have thought that a woman would somehow feel you where taking a “right” away from her, when you told her she couldn’t kill her baby?

George E · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject:

More than a few cultural strategists have observed that an excellent way to oppose any institution is to create a competing institution that appeals to the same people. The church spreads the Word of God and ministers to the needs of God's people. If a socialist government takes over, and starts taking over the role of ministering to the needs of God's people, then many people will leave the church and miss hearing God's Word.

Satan is deceptive. What better way for him to draw people away from God's church than to create his own alternative secular "church" that provides some of what people need while leaving out the parts that might not be as attractive to them?

Forget about praying to God for health and healing. Elect Hilary Clinton, and she'll get you free health care. They say that God works in mysterious ways. Well, Satan works in subtle and deceptive ways. The devil is seldom obvious in his deceit.

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 839 Location: Oklahoma

So Hillary Clinton is evil? I can't stand her politically, but I've heard she's pretty devout.

And as great as Romney is, I couldn't ever really cast a vote for a Mormon....that's a religion I hold on par with Scientology.

The only way to have uniform standards and morals is to live in a really small country (Switzerland) or to enforce those standards ruthlessly (Nazi Germany). I'm not in favor of pulling the 10 commandments from a courthouse either, but either way someone's inherent American rights are going to get trampled on....major catch 22. I've never been able to answer the question, am I an American Christian or Christian American....i.e. do you hold to the founding father's ideas and not let your religion dictate policy or do you vote based on beliefs even if they're unconstitutional?

George E · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:41 am Post subject:

So Hillary Clinton is evil? I can't stand her politically, but I've heard she's pretty devout.

I've heard she shows up at churches for photo ops. In this day and age, that counts as "devout".

I've never subscribed to the theory that people who are duped and deceived into doing the devil's work are any more evil than those who aren't. On the day before the lesson in the Lectionary is Matthew 4:1-11, we need to take a closer look at how Satan tempts us by how he tempted Christ.

Satan didn't tempt Jesus to turn into some sort of crazy-eyed fiend. He didn't tempt Jesus to go out and do evil, nasty, despicable things. He tempted Jesus to turn stones into bread! Creating food is not an evil thing. But it would have been wrong for Jesus to bail out of his ordeal in the wilderness early because that indicated a lack of faith in God.

Hilary Clinton's socialist healthcare plan might not seem evil. Providing healing for the sick is not an evil thing. Jesus tells us to provide care for the sick. But by making the only source of healing and health care the government, that makes the government a competitor for peoples' faith. It motivates people to put their faith and trust in the government instead of in God and God's church.

So, maybe mistakenly Hilary thinks she is serving God by proposing what she's proposing. What's important to Christian voters isn't whether or not Hilary Clinton knows that she's doing Satan's work or not. It's whether or not we'll get tricked into doing the same thing by voting for her.

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 839 Location: Oklahoma

George E · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:16 am Post subject:

That could be said about any politician....not sure if it merits questioning her faith, after all, we all have our moments where someone could question our virtue.

I haven't questioned her faith. I've applied "By their fruits you shall know them". The policies that Hilary has strongly supported throughout her career, going back to when she supported the legal defense of terrorists back in the 1960's while she was still a college student, indicates that what she does in the secular kingdom is at odds with what Christians believe. I do not know what her personal beliefs or motivations are. Her public actions have been in large measure those which will further the interests of those who oppose God's church. My decision regarding whether to support or oppose her candidacy is therefore based on her obvious actions, not subtle clues about her inner beliefs.

Her ideas on how the nation should be governed are not good ideas. Socialism is not a good way to govern any nation.

markm2553 · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:45 am Post subject:

Her ideas on how the nation should be governed are not good ideas. Socialism is not a good way to govern any nation.

+1 Cool

sharring · Tiger Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 815 Location: Texas

Something to be considered is that 5 of the 9 Supreme Court justices are 70 or older with John Paul Stevens being 88. There's an excellent chance that the next president will appoint at least 1 new justice. As i understand it the current court is 5 to 4 in favor of abortion. A Democratic presidential victory may set the Pro-Life cause back for a long time.

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 839 Location: Oklahoma