So what's okay?

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 838 Location: Oklahoma

Ok, so the Bible says premarital sex is bad. I agree, and am celibate. No biggie.

However, I was looking around on why Catholic's feel birth control is bad, and they say there is a verse (couldn't find it Confused

) where it says that it's bad because you're playing God. This is universally accepted as silly.

So...there's a contradiction in today's society, they'd have to be both right or both wrong (if there is a verse that says that).

What gives?

Shaggy · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject:

ooo this is going to be an intense topic..

ill try and find some stuff on it.

ACfixer · Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:47 am Post subject:

I think there is some obscure verse where a guy was supposed to have sex with his wife but *ahem* "spilled his seed" Embarassed

because he didn't want to get her pregnant and was punished for it.

I look at it this way, better to spill a little seed than bring children into this life that one can't care for. After all it is our duty to look after our family and if we don't do that then we are "worse than an unbeliever". I think common sense prevails here, God wants you to enjoy intimate relations with your spouse, and to procreate, but I'm pretty sure He's ok with building the family in a way that fits the financial and practical situation you are currently in. If you make $15,000 per year and live in a studio apartment I'm pretty sure God doesn't feel you need seven children.

As with anything, much prayer.

markm2553 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:54 am Post subject:

ACfixer · Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 7:04 am Post subject:

Yeah, uhhh maybe it wasn't so obscure hehehe Embarassed

God killed him for it!

In the example however, God killed him for being disobeying a direct order, not for simply using birth control. At least that's the way I understand it.

markm2553 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:

Jeff, you might check out Heb 13:4. Alot of people feel it says; what goes on in bed between a husband and wife, is between the husband and wife. Including the why's and how's...

I know the Pope was against changing his church's view on birth control. I have to admire him for standing up for his belief, even if I don't agree. I'm afraid it may be more tradition than anything else. Can your friends give you a Bible referance for why?

I admire your stand, you are a good man for waiting. Your wife will be very proud of you one day.

markm2553 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:37 am Post subject:

jeff_osu · Tiger Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 838 Location: Oklahoma

ACfixer · Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject:

When Jesus died, the whole "unclean" animal thing changed. What goes in your mouth no longer defiles you, but what comes from it might. Wink

Someone can correct me as I don't have time right now to check my facts but I believe God appeared to Peter and told him "do not call unclean what God has made clean... Kill and eat".

I agree with what Mark said, what happens between a man and wife in bed is nobody's business but theirs and that the marriage bed is not defiled by their acts. This of course would preclude inviting someone else in the bed be it man or beast. *yuck*

On the other side of the coin, is not the Catholic Church "playing God" when they forbid birth control? I can't find any scripture to support it.

The "spilling seed" story was a source of huge laughter in 9th grade. Our 9th grade teacher was so sweet and innocent (at least I think she was) and the ebarrassment on her face when we got to that part was priceless. So too was watching poor Christine Anderson have to read it as it was her turn. I think we stopped there for the day and moved on to Algebra. Laughing

markm2553 · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 5:16 am Post subject:

Jeff, I think "safe" forms of birth control are a fairly new thing. Most forms at one time would have involved the killing of the baby at some early stage. And murder is wrong.
I also believe their church thinks that birth control would increase sex outside of marrage. Either before or adulty during, and they may be right.
But making a rule to keep people from breaking another rule doesn't normally work very well.

ACfixer · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:16 am Post subject:

And to that I say:
The world has one problem, sin.
There is only one solution, Jesus. Wink

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

PunkStar · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject:

At school, we've had to study the issue of abortion. For one of our assessment tasks, we had to deliver a speech as a person with some opinion in the debate (not necessarily ourselves). So I decided to speak as a representative of the Christian churches. I did some research on the Scriptures and came up with what I feel is the Bible's view on abortion. Then I preached to the whole class about the love of God and that each person is a special and valuable creation. So it is wrong to kill that person, because they are just as important as anyone else.

The reason I brought this up is because it summerises the Bible's view in regard to abortion as a form of birth control. It's wrong to kill a life.

So here is my theory on contraception as relative to this theory. The Bible (to the best of my knowledge) gives no specific information regarding contraception. So we should keep in mind the spirit of the Scriptures to decide an answer.

But we do know how different types of contraception work. I believe we should avoid any form of contraception that actually kills the baby's life. Because it's essentially the same as murder. However, contraception that prevents the life from forming in the first place, it occurs to me that there is nothing wrong with that. Because that would not constitute taking a life. Abstinence works on this principle. Best form on contraception this is.

I hope that above rant made sense in some small way.

Brian · Pit Bull Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 373

ACfixer · Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:27 am Post subject:

"As with anything, much prayer" Very Happy

Yes Brian, one in that situation would have to take a good hard looks at his priorities and such! Obviously he's doing something when he ought to be working. Wink